tnman71, in AG, sure the only way to win in those weapon derby is being dead anyways right? So no matter what, dead game... means one bird has to die before game is over. In tape, a bird can be dead game, but if he is sitting on floor and not able to stand, he still loses... so we are talking of 2 different venues. AG's don't win by tko or running or sitting on floor and not able to stand up... his opponent has to be mutilated by him before he can win. But OG's, they are totall opposite, run, tko, blinded both eyes, and sitting on floor not able to continue will lead to the opponent winning. OG's more the boxing ways to win, AG's more the pistol duel in the western days to win.
Let me try to explain the way this was taught to me, two venues same definition, Ag or Og I have seen Ag birds blinded, broken wing/ leg still do everything in their power to find the other cock to prove his dominance, you mentioned in Og blinded, sitting on the floor, ect... In any battle that is called a quitter, sulling or dung hill. In any battle a runner, tko the cock can't peck to break count he looses. So pretty much the same, in any form a dead game cock will battle to the end, a quitter will give up, run or sull. That's the dominance in a game cock. Even in knife I have seen cocks Tore all to pieces and still drag them selves a cross the pit to try to meet the opponent. I was once at a pit up in VA. And the house rule was a cocks feet had to come off the ground to break a count I loved that rule, it put an end to the long drag fights to where they got down to where a cock could get beat down to where they were in a pecking match. I been around gamefowl since I was 2 yrs old, I'm in my mid 40's now and I was brought up around some of the old timers that taught me a lot on gaminess and one of the most hardest lessons I learn was to have weak fowl in a brood pen, you can never breed bad blood out, i was taught if you have a couple of birds that show signs of quitting, sulling or weak you have to go cull all brothers, sisters and parents, ect.. The only way to eliminate bad blood. So my definition of dead game is in any form a cock must prove he is trying no matter the environment. condition, physically or mentally.
Mmmm interesting...if a boxer gets hit in his in his ribs and can't stand up to box, he isn't game.. if a bird is disarmed to the point where he can't stand to fight " sull", he isn't game.. so if another bird tko another bird- in OG which you probably have never seen since you only been in weapon games only, then the tko birding isn't game...interesting. So when a 10 lb bird smacks the living out of a 6 lbs bird to the point where he can no longer move and just sits there he isn't game... mmmmm I don't believe that. I see what you called game..but to me that is a bird that has gone cuckoo...that he is so crazy he attacks anything including his owner..that is game?
Anyone who claims that a rooster must show 365 and under any circumstances is lying period. Most of the time they just like to hear themselves or are trying to sell. We all strive to breed as game of fowl as we can. But any human can make any bird they choose quit if that's what they wanted to do. If you game tested a bird the question will always linger would he have quit if I let it go longer or put a fresh one on him etc. They all will quit. Anyone constantly testing their fowl for this extreme Gameness search to me is not a good manager of their flock. It is well known in the steel , positive , gaff or knife straight dunghills have and still do compete at the highest level and win. 71 I know for a fact I had fowl that could make your gamers cock run in 10 min or less bare heel
Duke, I totally agree with you.TN71, take your most game bird, tie his legs up, hit him with a stick and hit all day long...body head neck all over... see if at the end of the day he is still deep game.
Bdead game sounds like dead bird to me, wont quit in artificial heel even if cant get up, but when you take him home he dies from injuries does he not? Gameness is always necessary but style and defense and will always come out ontop over just a dead game bird. Any bird will run, quite get knocked out, its just natural even in the wild the one that wins keeps his territory and hens, the one that loses dies or runs off
Gamenessis important,but the most importantthing is win...one of my mentorsalways saysthat "a goodcockshould beso superiorto his opponentso thathe did notever having toprove hisgame:every birdin the right situationandwith hisright opponentcan quit... but a not healthy,well maintained andwell conditionedbird will nevershow histrue value."
All thisthings I have seenand I believe100% in this truth