A friend and I were discussing. Are birds really game? In my experience I haven't seen a " dead game bird" like die fighting after getting a beat down I'm just talking about taped or naked heel. I believe all birds have a breaking point. When enough is enough he will go it's just animal instinct. Even in American fowls I've tried them before in naked heel after the AG is out of juice he'll lay there and take a beating but after a good few minutes he will go as well. Steel game it's a different story because they'll die already before reaching that point. And the birds in naked heel if it's a direct kill to then it's a different story but I'm just talking about a bird that can just take a beating and not go. What are your thoughts about this? I would like to hear your experiences.
My friend Asilscott like saying goes theirs differant courses for differant horses,and the same goes differrant breeds of fowl.In each individual sport of gamefowl,their is individual deep gameness that some possess. From expirances ,since i was futunated when it was legal,to cross over to differant sports.I try to make a few examples.In the postiza and naked heel contest. I have seen many deep game birds that in their individual sport could not be made to quit.In long heel gaff i seen some very deepgame birds with that type heel they could not be made to quit either. In tape boxing i have seen deep gamebird also could not be made to quit iether.But hard thing to imagine is when cross over to differant sport,on some the genetics is not their to help.For example when you put a spanish in a long american game contest,they just couldnot take the deep eounds to their bodies. The deep game ones didnot quit lay their and took the pubishedmet with being able to get up.The other example is kind of misleading,as you will see.When american steel birds were showed against each other in a postiza contest the deep game one they would hold their ground and not quit.On the other hand when an american gaff bird was showed in a postiza contest against a headhunter spanish The deepgame american bird if the contest drag on the america bird could not take the constant head cutting.Lets talk about the sport of tape boxing.When you cross over the sport of tape boxing with american against another american bird the deep game ones would be deep game,but when showed against a tape bird he simpley canot take the hits to head and quit.When spanish were showed against spanish in tape the deep game ones were game.When showed against a tape bird the deep game ones would get hit brain shots that they would fly out of the pit like they were dying.After you got them back actualy the deep game ones would have fought again but is to was to late they would loose just from being of the pit.On the other hand i have showed when it was legal tape birds in postiza and naked heel and prove to be deep game.Never in steel some say that tape birds cannot take deep gaff wounds.Two be fair to our little warriors they must be judge in their idividual sport.I have seen a hawk standing on post closed to chicken pens,and seen deep game cock going into hack just simpley out of fear.Of he was not bred to fight a hawk.
I agree, all birds have a breaking point. There are some cocks so game, that what it takes to make them run borders on cruelty. Test your roosters within the rules of the sport they were bred for. A gaff bird that runs when hit to the head to many times - not his sport. An oriental that runs when hit to the body with steel - not his sport. There are cocks that will not run no matter how they are fought. If you have these, you know who you are. For new cockers; do not go looking for new and creative ways to beat up your chickens in the back yard just to see if he will run. If you are not certain about the gameness of a new cock, train & condition him as you normally would. Hack fight against a buddy using the rules of your game. If he runs, well you didn't get embarrassed at the pit! If he wins quick, you didn't learn anything about his gameness but you got your friends money. Unfortunately we really do not learn much about a cock's gameness until he is on the losing end of a match. But then again, we have all seen roosters way ahead in a match run for no apparent reason other than the other rooster showed NO SIGN OF QUIT.
I have to say I also agree with asilscott. I mean gameness goes a long way. By the time you really see their dead game it'll be cruel to watch as he doesn't give up and take a pounding when there's no way he can win and eventually he will jump from what I've seen. And that bird I'm talking about had won multiple matches. I've seen many game birds run American and oriental both. Ive seen a Thai play gaff with an American asil cross and the Thai lost both eyes and got hit in the back of the head losing his mobility that's not including all the puncture holes he has on his body and still try to keep going but eventually he cried and gave up. But if you really think about how game a bird is you really would never know cuz you don't know if he had no breaking point and died or didn't reach his breaking point and died. All it takes to kill is that one good hit so who can judge if a bird is really dead game.
Ive seen true gameness in 1/4 de redonda pits in mexico . Some birds blind from both eyes after 35 min and still pecking in air trying to find his opponent and when he does he hits. Ive seen this many times. But one video surprised me same scenario but the blind actually won by killing the other. If I find video ill post it with a random picture. I have also sparred a american fowl vs a oriental always the american fowl runs .
Iīve seen and also had some birds with that "no matter what" gameness. Not so common but those are the ones we should get. By the way it didnīt mean they were the best fighters, but they delivered any time. ( most of them being what we call "monas" or sparring birds.)
gameness.lets use the redboy dogs of the south...known for gameness.it wasnt that the dogs from the south were better..........they just came from gen after gen of tested stock........same with the birds..........you constantly test your stock........Test Test Test.. gameness
There are many strains of apbt that where tested every generation in the past but are still known for different traits just like the different lines of gamefowl . Some for gameness like redboy dogs some for bite like Eli dogs and on and on .