Someone was mentioning Finsterbusch regarding the Rampuri Asil. He wrote about the Rampuri Asil in two publications, "Histories of Game Strains" published in the early 1900's by Grit & Steel and in his own work "Cockfighting all over the World" published in 1928. Hereunder the article from "Histories of Game Strains"............Happy Reading.
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The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names
In the present time period I beleive its safe to say that the American Rampuri blood(Darby base) is the most widespead in use Asil blood in the U.S. no matter the % just looking at how many yards have Asil blood and how many contain this Rampuri blood. Agee or disagree would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks
My friend Reza ranch my thoughts is that most yards have iether asil or shamo blood or both .To me those two blood lines are the gamest bloodlines in the world. Some keep the asil pure in their yard to used when needed.Some donot,like my self i keep the brazilians .They have both game bloods in them the asil and the shamo.That being said you canot go by what some one say when some one says that they have pure Rampury blood ,because the truth is they really donot know 100% whats in them .In blood lines in the Usa.If some one is saying that thats a pure duck,and does not walk like a duck or acts like a duck .Trust me is not a pure duck.If todays Rampury have talent .I have to say they are not pure ducks.Thats ok too they still can pass down good gamenest also.But who ever has them pure i think is more valauble to keep them that way .
I thought the birds from Thailand that were use 'Looked" like Asil rather than typical Thai. Since there were already Asil blood being used in Thailand at the time isnt it possible they were Asil ? Im not talkin about pure Rampur persay as I agree with you Abreu. with all the gaff and knife fighters I know there seem to be more grades with Rampuri phenotype being fought today than say McCoy or Atkinson or Vipers or Redman etc . In other circles people may know of different demographics than I am
Duke, yes, all too often the blacks do have that bald spot, I don't like it and have not selected for this trait, but it continues to emerge in the genome. I wonder if this came from the argentine murgh, as I don't remember it in our old rampuri line years ago? This year I had two stags show this trait, along with several pullets. Many of the "thai" birds that were distributed throughout the states by Dr Dave and myself did have asil in them, along with brasilian and shamo. But of the 13 we imported, only one was atypical, a smaller pure black, the others were classic thai with long tails and more slender and less upright than the classic shamo type.
I believe what I know thats all I grew up making fighting Asil grades in weapons. Nothing worked better. I love Asils and always will no matter how popular or unpopular they are in other circles. In my circle they are the best hands down. If something else worked better to get the job done Id have them.
Reza R, Over the years I have had excellent reports on these blacks (rampuri) from those using them to grade into pit fowl (bankiva) It seems the longer the gaff they do better than the reds, (which have had success in shorter gaffs.) I even had a fellow who raved about them for slasher. I do my best to maintain the blacks, but still carry on with the reds which I have equal respect for. The reza asil has gotten alot of hype and respect here in america, largely due to their success with american pit fowl, but the larger asil strains and japs deserve equal recognition for their performance around the world. I knew a few who used tuzo's and the smaller japs for grades, but it seemed these rarely nicked like the reza types. The FORSYTHE japs that I came accross 30 years ago were some sort of oriental grades and the GOWDY japs were actually an asil. I think many american cockers just called all orientals japs. No matter, they are JUST NAMES obscured over time and those who kept them.
Thank you for sharing your experiences and history with us. Most of my understanding and exposure to the Orientals from the US is mostly from accounts from bird men from the West Coast. Honestly, half of the information you kindly shared with the group was new to me.
From what I understand and have seen regarding the small Black Asil between Mr Corey's , Mr. Lingerfelt's and Dr Dave and your blacks seem to be best in the US. Credit to all you guys for maintaining, bettering and preserving them!
It's a goal to preserve and maintain the best of the oriental strains, and thru sincere testing and honest feed back we can only do our best. Unlike so many great working dog strains that have been ruined by the AKC, our selection should be based on GAME fowl. No matter the type and style of oriental we prefer. Sometimes the ego and bombast of the general arena can be intimidating, but don't let it distract from your vision. We are fortunate to have so many involved in this site and to share our experiences. We are drawn to this unique sport for something we admire, the spirit and tenacity to carry on no matter the odds, it's so unfortunate so many in our society miss the point.
Disciple, I need to get some pictures taken, it's tough, the young stuff is still pretty wild after running free all summer. It's a big challenge to keep any strain relatively pure without a dash of fresh blood now and then. Especcially if you only raise a few each year. Having a partner like Dave helps, so we can now and then trade birds of the same family, but slightly differently bred. We now and then steel test our stuff in 1 inch. It's imperative to make your selections based on some sort of performance standard, as we know that stag that looked to be the best may turn out to be the dud. I like to sit in the pens and watch the pullets to see which are the dominant ones as well. and when you move them around of course they fight too. I'm partial to those chicks that get after it early, but the downside is they can ruin each other and are maddening to raise. Dave and I have been fortunate to be able to raise alot of birds each year to select from, in fact it's a disorder we need to deal with as we get older. We all do our part to maintain these fowl, despite the challenges of both the law and our changing culture. The sport itself continues thruout the world in almost every culture, but unfortunately as our population becomes more urban and our youth more distracted by technology it looses ground.